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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Bully fanatic » Fri Apr 27, 2018 10:39 pm

It was 1982 the green ones were available in Brisbane from Frasers Motorcycles in Newstead. I remember because a good friend bought one when they came out. Chippy also bought one at the same time. I was always drooling over the brand new M199A that Frasers had in the showroom! I can`t remember if it was early or late in the year though.



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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Greg Harding » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:36 pm

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Bully fanatic wrote:Well done Greg. You would be correct in thinking that Tomaselli levers have a very good leverage ratio. The only one better is an Amal lever.

Graham, the clutch lever and perch is Amal, I was thinking the original must have been broken at some stage. The distance between centres is 22 mm and the Tomaselli is 28 mm, so maybe that is why it is fitted as the clutch is fairly Light?
Rod wrote:As usual I'm dumbfounded, I think whatever your smoking down there in NSW is exceptional and you should share some with us Queenslanders !

Come down for a ride Rod, we are happy to share!
sherpa wrote:I just measured my Bultaco's wheelbases and they both came out at around 1335 with the axles a little further forward than the Piuma above - 199A and 199B. I had a Piuma back in 1984, I am pretty sure that's the year they came out here in Australia, but unfortunately that also coincided with the release of the TY mono. So by the end of 1984 and certainly by mid 1985 pretty much everyone was riding Yamahas. The Piuma was a much better bike than the original green bike in nearly every respect and you could even buy a kit to swap the brake and gear change over. I lengthened the clutch lever on the engine case and ended up with a nice light clutch and the brakes were also better than Bultacos, a really nice bike but a little too late onto the market place to make any impact.
Cheers Greg

Greg, my :italjet: Piuma is 1983:
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Also my :Bultaco: 213 Alpina has a gear selector shaft that sticks out each side to allow a gear lever to be fitted to either or both sides. It is easy to see how a brake pedal could be fitted to the wrong side on an :italjet: as the brake drum is on that side but I am unsure how you could fit the gear lever on the right side? The gear selector is on a linkage and does not go through to the other side.
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There is not much room for an extra shaft, so how did it Work?
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Re: Basket Cases

Postby sherpa » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:54 pm

The kit included a gear lever[right side] a brake pedal [left side] and a gear selector shaft that went through the engine [after removing the existing one] the shaft came out through the primary case just in front of the kick start. There was a metal bung that had to be tapped or pushed out to allow the shaft to come through [pretty sure that its visible in your third photo]
Also you can see the arm that is extended to reduce the clutch effort , you also need to make an adapter to go on top of the engine case to lift the cable the same amount as the lever is extended I think about 20-25mm. I think I must have got mine early 84, it is after all more than thirty years ago
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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Bully fanatic » Tue May 01, 2018 8:07 pm

Greg. if I remember I can take a photo of an Italjet engine with the gear shaft on the correct side. Bernie also liked them on the correct side too. Sherpa, that is a great photo. All of the Bultacos from the M158,159 had a choice of which side you wanted stuff. Correct side or the wrong side!



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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Rod » Wed May 02, 2018 4:02 pm

Berlatier also liked his brake on the left.
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Re: Basket Cases

Postby sherpa » Wed May 02, 2018 11:06 pm

I am pretty sure Berlatier finished the world championship in fourth spot in 1984 on a very standard looking Piuma. I am also pretty certain Malcom Rathmell used a left to right side gear change on his Montesa 348/349 - never seen a kit for that conversion.



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Re: Basket Cases

Postby chippy » Tue May 08, 2018 8:42 pm

Hi everyone,
Bully Fanatic I remember that very well, going into Frasers Motorcycles to buy a brand new green :italjet: . I actually traded my 'old' Montesa Cota 348 that I had at the time. I even recall your friend that you are referring to, start my bike and about to ride a section, when I explained to him that he needed to ride his bike (both bikes parked near each other and identical). I think he bought his :italjet: a week after me.

I did enjoy riding that :italjet: and it suited my riding style with the bigger capacity.

Here are a few photos of me on board the :italjet: at the 1982 stadium trial at Beenleigh Showgrounds that was run by Logan River Trials Club.

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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Bully fanatic » Wed May 09, 2018 9:30 pm

He does remember that time when he hopped on the wrong bike Chippy! He had actually paid a deposit to Frasers for the :italjet: that you ended up with. He went in there to pick it up and they had to say sorry but we will have a couple more in next week. It was only after it all happened that he found out that Frasers had sold the bike that he was supposed to get to you. Good photos of an :italjet: in action though! Greg, I`ll have to send some photos down to you to shrink for me. All of a correct side shift on an :italjet: . One of them is .1 mega byte to large. 2.1 instead of 2. Graham



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Re: Basket Cases

Postby Greg Harding » Thu May 10, 2018 8:27 pm

Hi Everyone,
sherpa wrote:I am pretty sure Berlatier finished the world championship in fourth spot in 1984 on a very standard looking Piuma. I am also pretty certain Malcom Rathmell used a left to right side gear change on his Montesa 348/349 - never seen a kit for that conversion.

Greg, perhaps Malcolm had both levers on the same side with the gear lever pointing up? That is how I had my :Bultaco: M49 set up with the brake on the Right Side! I will never forget my first ride on a bike with the brake on the Wrong side, it was Brownies Beautiful :Bultaco: M49 going downhill and gaining speed with my right foot resting on the gear lever. After a magnificent moment of anamnesis, I realised that the brake pedal was on the other Side! Now that I think about it, I suppose it all depends on which side you learnt to ride with.
Now back to :italjet: , I find it interesting working out the thought process after all of these years on by looking at how the models progressed:
GREEN on GREEN, first model is really good for a first attempt.
PIUMA had quite a few improvements and all made sense except maybe making the plastic tank Thinner?
SCOTT, obviously :Honda: had some influence here with Edy Leisurely winning 3 World Titles on a Four Stroke! Maybe you don't agree but how do you explain the back flip from removing weight to adding It?
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Now I am only guessing here:
After the Huge success of the Scott, the party that I think must have included Grappa someone came up with A idea. Let's put an A in front of SCOTT and call the next model ASCOTT!
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The overwhelming success speaks for itself!
Bully fanatic wrote:Good photos of an :italjet: inaction though!
Greg, I`ll have to send some photos down to you to shrink for me. All of a correct side shift on an :italjet: . One of them is .1 mega byte to large. 2.1 instead of 2. Graham

Graham, I have fixed your photos of the gear lever on the correct side:
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Re: Basket Cases

Postby sherpa » Thu May 10, 2018 9:38 pm

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