Postby JC1 » Thu Sep 05, 2013 1:47 pm
Gents, the consensus on the other thread discussion seemed to be to extend the cutoff date beyond Pre-65 up to but excluding the M27 Sherpa 5-speed (available in Aug 67)to make more bikes available.
I've come up with the following 2 lists showing bikes that became available in '65-66 & '67 as accurately as I could.The intention is to help people make an informed decision on how far to extend the cut-off date if they so desire: pre-67 or pre-68 (the options that were suggested)
You may know of other models &/or more accurate dates. Feel free to speak up. I'm not familiar w Italian makes so Ducati is the only one listed.
I'm not suggesting all these models would be suitable for trials, but there are lots here that have been used/converted & I found the others along the way.
For Pre-67, these would be included:
* denotes 5speed models
Newly available in ‘65-66:
BSA B44 , Bantam Cub & Super Cub
Bultaco M10 Sherpa 250, Matador Mk2 250, Lobito 100, Campera 175
Cotton Villiers (later models, I think they went back to 37A engine from Starmaker Trials engine)
CZ Competition 125,175, 250 & 350 single port square-case engines, Type972/971/970/973 I think (some of them may have been available late '64)
Dot Villiers 37A, later models
Ducati 350 Sebring* Narrow-case, 250 Mk3 n/case*, 250 Diana MK3 USA* (Some 250s were 5sp pre65 too). NOT Wide-case or Desmo models which were only avail in ‘68
Greeves Wessex & Anglian
Honda CT90, CA160, CB160, CL160 (S90, CD90 & CT200 - which was 90cc - were available in ‘64, as were the CA95 150 Benlys)
Husky oval-case 250 & 360
Jawa 350 ISDT Type653 banana-framed (250 type 652 available in ‘64)
Kawasaki D1 100, C1 120, B1 125 (later called KC125), B8 150, F1 175
Maico 175-250-360 GS/MC ‘65-66, alloy round barrel, double cradle frame
Montesa Texas/Kenya 175, Impala 250, Diablo & Scorpion 250 (NOT King Scorpion), La Cross 250
Ossa 175 Sport, 230 Sport & Scrambler
RE Continental GT250 5sp * (5sp optional on Crusader too. The Super 5 was available pre65)
Sanglas 100 Sport (Zundapp engined)
Sprite Mk2 & Villiers 37A
Suzuki B100/120P, B105 Bearcat, A100
Triumph Cub square-finned
WSK 175 MR16
Yamaha L2C 100, YA6-125
Zundapp KS100 pressed steel frame (GS100 was available in 63/64))
For Pre-68 these would also become available:
Newly available in ‘67:
AJS 37A-T maybe? Or was it ’68?
BSA C25/B25, B40WD, Bantam 4-speed D10 & Bushman
Cheetah Cub/Villiers/Husky
DMW Highland Trials (Cotton frame, Villiers 37A engine)
Ducati Cadet/Mountaineer/Falcon 100 (2T 4sp), Cadet 125/4 (4T push-rod engine)
Firefly Cub/Villiers/Greeves/C15
Honda CL90, CA/CD 175 (NOT CB/CL175 which were ‘68 & 5sp)
Kawasaki C2TR/SS 120, F2 175
Maico square barrels maybe
Montesa 250 Trial (11M), Cappra 250 (33M)
MZ ES/ETS 175 & 250 Series2 engines
Ossa 230 Pioneer, Wildfire & Pluma/Pennine/Plonker
Puch M125 4sp, also sold as Sears Allstate SR125 (may have been available in 66)
Saracen Bantam/Cub
Sprite Cub
Suzuki KT120 maybe (3sp dual range)
Yamaha L5-T 100
Zundapp 125 * maybe
If it was preferred to go Pre-68, to include say the 4sp Bantams, B25/C25s & the 1st 4sp trials models from Ossa & Montesa (comparable to the M10 Sherpa), the rule could be worded (eg) "Pre-68, excluding 5-speed Trials models (as these are deemed next generation)"
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