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Where are all the entries ????

Postby Twinshock200 » Sat Sep 02, 2017 10:19 pm

There is a great thread on the UK Trials Central (TC) website trying to identify why they are loosing riders in todays events compared to what they had only a few years ago.
Numerous theories are being put forward and I raise this topic here because without a doubt we have the same problem which is pretty obvious from my perspective after riding trials in Australia since 1980.
If readers think I'm wrong, fair enough, but nobody including riders, clubs, officials or the sales of bikes could convince me that our sport is growing.
Have a read of the Trials Central topic, Where are all the entries???? http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/top ... ent-454070

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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Steve S » Sun Sep 03, 2017 9:20 am

If the decline is real, I would say that, as a newcomer to (photographing) trials but with decades of involvement in many other forms of motorsport, I reckon marketing is to blame, or rather a lack of it. I can't recall the last time I saw trials on TV or mentioned in the media and this lack of promotion will inevitably lead to continuing decline, in my opinion.

Now more than ever, a sport must have a highly-visible profile if it is to attract and retain competitors, because despite people generally being more affluent than ever, they have so much more choice when it comes to recreation. In this way, trials is itself competing with all the other leisure activities, along with competing products aimed at soaking up our discretionary spending.

This is dangerous because, I assume, the various trials organisations can only spend money on promotion if they receive it from competitors and, with entries falling, their 'marketing budget' inevitably falls with it. This might mean that there is a shrinking window of opportunity to launch a campaign - unless of course the governing body can somehow persuade governments to divert a proportion of its spending on sports toward trials. Perhaps this should be the priority.

I would suggest that the growing interest in electric trials machines could present an opportunity here. As we all know, governments are usually keen to support 'green' initiatives and so perhaps a grant could be sought in order to promote electric trials and all its environmental angles, in the course of which trials in general could be promoted.

There are lots of ways in which trials could be promoted for free, too. For instance, whenever a town or city has a large public event, the local trials community should offer to provide a display, demonstration or take part in the parade. Somebody could also contact the TV companies and offer to provide, free of charge, some riders to film a segment within a relevant leisure or sport programme. Somebody should also ensure that every trial event is flagged to all internet "What's On' sites. There are plenty more and this just covers the promotional side - marketing would also include developing a sophisticated understanding of what competitors (including prospective riders), sponsors, organisers and all other stakeholders want.

To paraphrase somebody much smarter than me, "Advertising is completely unnecessary - unless you want to survive."


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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby yamfan » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Trials in WA hasn't been this healthy for years, although we can't run a Nationals our entries certainly haven't decreased and in many classes they are growing ie:Sidecars & Juniors.



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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby outforfun » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:18 am

I have to agree with Steve S.

Mototrials is not marketed in any way like other motor sports. We see the V8 supercars, motogp, motocross, pretty much if it's got an engine in it sports on the TV news, why not our sport?

I've never seen an add for an event online, on TV or heard it on the radio. If you're not already in the trials community and on facetwitter, you won't know about upcoming events or results for them.

The silly stunts of captain risky is doing more to promote trials than we are. A couple of years ago a TV crew was invited to and filmed at the twinshock masters at Connodale, but I have no idea what ever came of that. We don't even see a newspaper journo at the Qld titles.

It seems like the only advertising we do to bring spectators and new competitors to trials is telling our friends to come give it a go. We all know that trials is great fun, but how do we get others involved to help grow the sport?

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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Twinshock200 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:38 am

Personally I think there are quite a few reasons our sport isn't growing and there is one common factor in most issues and it has the initials MA.
Section severity, Marketing, costs and distance have also been brought up.
MA,MQ are not responsible for section severity or distance but could have a big impact if they ever got involved with marketing and publicising trials and reducing permit fees and rider levies to make it more reasonable to run or enter an event.

I recall an advert that was placed by MQ several years ago for a Marketing Manager with an advertised salary of $75,000 pa and I believe an appointment was made but I have never seen that person at a trials event or seen any of their efforts to promote trials in the last 8 years.
I haven't been to every event so I could well be wrong (it has been known !) and I'm sure somebody in MQ (or MA) will read this and rush to point out the good work they are doing for trials !!
Trials in Queensland is at its lowest point that I can remember and I have been riding here since 1980.
Before anyone shoots me down, yes, I have done my share of running clubs from scrutineer to President, setting sections and being an official for MQ but I cannot do it any longer due to age, operations, senility, costs and a reluctance to work with guys who only have their own personal agenda's for motivation.
Sorry but its up to the governing bodies to throw in some assistance, ideas and interest, don't forget how many riders have started in trials, lost interest and gone on to enduro, extreme events and motocross, trials is a development and training ground for all those .
I think I will volunteer for the MQ Trials sub committee next year.


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Postby sybella » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:33 pm

Hi all , As the president of the central Queensland trials club, i would like to say trials in central Queensland is going ok . With the introduction of FREE entry and Free licensing for kids under 12 our club is going along just fine . We the cqtc held the Queensland titles for the first time outside the SE in 35 years , having trials motorcycle in bike shops with posters around the central Queensland area proved very successful. I get annoyed with the continued bagging (grubbing ) of the way things are done . The Queensland titles were split over two separate occasions , one for moderns and one for twinshocks , which proved very successful. A total of 100 riders. Not bad for a struggling trials community. Well done to the TCQ club. It is very hard to compete with the range of sports on offer in todays world Western districts just put on a gate trial , from all reports it was very successful. Gympie are now up and running and are looking to grow there membership. The simple answer is either your goin to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Don't tell us what you can't do, tell us what you CAN DO.cheers Baxy



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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Greg Harding » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:47 pm

Hi Everyone,
Twinshock200 wrote:There is a great thread on the UK Trials Central (TC) website trying to identify why they are loosing riders in todays events compared to what they had only a few years ago.
Have a read of the Trials Central topic, Where are all the entries???? http://www.trialscentral.com/forums/top ... ent-454070
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Roger, I have followed your link and tried to read it all but my attention span is too narrow for so much text without any photos to break it up.
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Steve S wrote:To paraphrase somebody much smarter than me, "Advertising is completely unnecessary - unless you want to survive."

Steve, I like how you think. Your photos tell me you do your own thinking and I am very Impressed!
outforfun wrote:I have to agree with Steve S.

The silly stunts of captain risky is doing more to promote trials than we are. A couple of years ago a TV crew was invited to and filmed at the twinshock masters at Connodale, but I have no idea what ever came of that. We don't even see a newspaper journo at the Qld titles.
My 2 cents worth.

Don, just my opinion but I think the Captain Risky adds work because they are new and fresh.They continue to re-invent him instead of doing the same old and wondering why it no longer works?
Twinshock200 wrote: I think I will volunteer for the MQ Trials sub committee next year.

Excellent news Roger.
sybella wrote: Don't tell us what you can't do, tell us what you CAN DO.cheers Baxy

Tony, after thinking about it for a while, I remembered something that our :TAS: Tasmanian friends do from time to time. This works:
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For the record, I have deleted the add because Graham might think I am selling his :Bultaco: for $500.

Another thing I have noticed is NO Trials Riders from :TAS: Tassie EVER complains about MA because MA NEVER got their foot in the Door!


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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Bully fanatic » Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:43 pm

I might also say that you are selling two of my bikes for $500 each Greg but I won`t. The sport has been a bit quiet this year but it always has good years and bad years. Holding the Australian Titles last year did take a bit out of all of us who helped to make that event the success it was. It will improve with the help of all of the riders and the clubs. Graham.



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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Dirt_drifter » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:24 pm

Have to agree with above re MA. They do nothing for the sport but take money. Clubs and volunteers do all the work. I refuse to join MA out of protest.

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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby ianrogers » Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:33 pm

There is definitely an inbalance here that never seems to be addressed openly within the affiliated community & that is, why is it that our Trials Des Nations national teams have to crowd & self fund so much to get overseas. Where do all your licence fees & rider levees go? If your self appointed ruling bodies aren't willing to contribute toward them then they aren't going to throw money at grass roots PR are they. It's a sad fact that Trials will always be the forgotten step child of motorcycling which leaves each & every trials club in the country responsible for taking charge of their own destiny alas. Believe it or not, the heartland of world trials, the UK, has the same ongoing problems, so your not alone.
It's a sad fact that the high profile events that attract the funding are the very ones responsible for turning people away. Everyone loves to watch the Toni Bou's of the world perform but if you're not a trials enthusiast you are gob smacked but go away thinking, "I could never do that"! It's like going to the circus. I wonder how much effort is made in promoting grass roots club trials at these events, probably not a lot???


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Postby ianrogers » Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:29 am

And furthermore, I have a solution to change the face of Trials & its dwindling numbers. Since the obtaining of a road bike license has been changed to an act of attrition over 24 months now, at least in Qld anyway, obviously to address some of the nuffies out there who couldnt ride their way out of a wet paper bag, why not approach the relevant State Governments with the suggestion a compulsory 3 to 6 month trials involvement be introduced into the process whereby every rider wishing to get a bike license is required to have trials riding experience. We trials riders all know the benefits of trials training/riding & how it filters thru to all the other motorcycle disciplines & talk about a win win for everyone. Can you imagine how many riders would follow thru & continue their involvement with the sport once completing their course, bringing new members & funds into every club in the country?
Now there's something concrete that the self appointed ruling bodies could canvas thru the relevant state governments that would bring some real return on your license fees & rider levy donations.
Perhaps that could be your first order of business when you join the sub committee next year Roger Galpin???


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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Jools » Sun Sep 10, 2017 6:05 pm

Well I suppose I'll stick my oar in here... The people running the sport REALLY need to listen up, because we are a dying breed/sport if we don't encourage our kids to ride. And yes, the poor kids as well as the rich kids!

The barriers to entry are IMHO ridiculous.
My grandson is 12 years old, he needed a wealthy benefactor to pay for his entry fees etc for his very first trial today. I supplied the bike, but even though it's an old TY 175 it was illegal apparently, (max 125 for juniors? who thought that little scam up? my theory is, it's the blokes who sell the new 125 bikes!) I have another bike for him, but that's illegal too (a TXT280).
What a joke! Seriously, give me the rationale as to why a 12 year old can't ride a 175? Is it REALLY about the distributors making more money? That's pretty damned sad. (Don't tell me it's about power output please, because you'll get hit with a LOAD of data to disprove that). Tell me why it's not a scam.

So what, do I have to go and buy him a 125 that will be useful for 1 or at the most 2 seasons? (Pensioner here... not so much dosh handy!)

Many of us just don't have that disposable income. Many of the people involved obviously have no financial issues judging by the 'rigs' in the carpark, but PLEASE understand that many people just can't afford all that.
We need to encourage poor kids into the sport too, not just the kids from wealthy families.

Is my grandson to be locked out of the sport because he only has a '73 175 TY or 02 TXT Gasser to ride?

Please tell me. (But at the same time make sure you tell me why entries are pathetically low).
3, yes grand total of THREE juniors today.



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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby David Lahey » Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:10 pm

Juniors 7 to under 13 can ride up to 200cc and 13 to under 16 can ride open capacity in MA trials if it is on a twinshock


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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Twinshock200 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:18 pm

Responding to Ian Rogers suggestions,,,, I couldn't imagine MQ or MA officials ever having any success persuading government to enforce trials training before issuing a road licence.

But,,,,,,, it would be possible for them (MA/Q) to actually promote trials by introducing a rule that requires a newcomer to whatever branch of motorcycle sport to have participated in 10 trials events or done a full season as a trials rider to improve their bike control skills before entering any type of speed event..

Everyone I know agrees that knowing how to control a trials bike has helped them in their fitness and other branches of motorcycle sport, just ask Jeff Smith, Sammy Miller, John McGuinness, Mick Doohan, all champions and world champions and there's heaps of others.
This is a suggestion that MA/Q could actually bring in so what do others think, voice your opinions


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Re: Where are all the entries ????

Postby Jools » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:33 am

There's me shootin' my mouth off again!!!
My apologies, I was misinformed about engine capacity. :oops:




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